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post Apr 13 2010, 08:07 PM
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Even after the IPL is halfway through, none other team apart from the Mumbai Indians is through to the semi finals. The tournament is still wide open.

Who do you think will win the cup this time ? I root for Royal Challengers Banglore followed by Mumbai Indians.
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post Apr 14 2010, 11:36 AM
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Who will qualify for the semis?
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post Apr 14 2010, 12:04 PM
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Looking at yesterday's games, I feel that Delhi Daredevils and Kolkata Knight Riders face an uphill task to qualify. However as it seems right now I feel that Mumbai Indians, Royal Challengers Banglore, Chennai Super Kings and Deccan Chargers (the dark horse) would qualify for the Semi Finals.

But still cant say. Delhi Daredevils and Kolkata Knight Riders need to win both games and with good margins to ensure better runrate. So the table is wide open yet.
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post Apr 14 2010, 09:01 PM
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KKR's chances seems to be very dim; however Delhi Daredevils still have a fare chance to reach the semis if they win both the games they have in hand.
Can't be said the same for KKR, though.

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post Apr 14 2010, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(pathik2009 @ Apr 14 2010, 09:01 PM) *

KKR's chances seems to be very dim; however Delhi Daredevils still have a fare chance to reach the semis if they win both the games they have in hand.
Can't be said the same for KKR, though.

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And I have full faith in that :-)
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post Apr 15 2010, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(JS @ Apr 14 2010, 09:56 PM) *

Cricket is a game of GLORIOUS UNCERTAINTIES..................

And I have full faith in that :-)



Glorious Uncertainties..........hmmmmmm..........can be only if the teams involve in some fixing. Mumbai are already qualified. Kings XI are already out. So I wonder if they would negotiate with the other teams for their remaining games.
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post Apr 15 2010, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 15 2010, 10:26 AM) *

Glorious Uncertainties..........hmmmmmm..........can be only if the teams involve in some fixing. Mumbai are already qualified. Kings XI are already out. So I wonder if they would negotiate with the other teams for their remaining games.


The uncertainties are there without any involvement of fixing.
And FYI as of now no team is out of the reckoning from the semi final berth including Kings XI.Anything can happen.......
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QUOTE(JS @ Apr 15 2010, 11:50 AM) *

The uncertainties are there without any involvement of fixing.
And FYI as of now no team is out of the reckoning from the semi final berth including Kings XI.Anything can happen.......



JS, Kings XI is definitely out. Because even if they win all, they will have 12 points. And that doesnt qualify them. Because normally in semis 2 teams have 16 or more points and 2 teams have 14 or more. You CANNOT qualify at 12 points.

According to the run-rate calculations, Rajasthan Royals seem to be out too. As of now, Mumbai Indians and Royal Challengers have qualified. Looking at the coming matches and run-rate, Chennai Supr Kings and Delhi Daredevils stand good chance.
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post Apr 15 2010, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 15 2010, 02:56 PM) *

JS, Kings XI is definitely out. Because even if they win all, they will have 12 points. And that doesnt qualify them. Because normally in semis 2 teams have 16 or more points and 2 teams have 14 or more. You CANNOT qualify at 12 points.

According to the run-rate calculations, Rajasthan Royals seem to be out too. As of now, Mumbai Indians and Royal Challengers have qualified. Looking at the coming matches and run-rate, Chennai Supr Kings and Delhi Daredevils stand good chance.




Mere Bhai....

Here is the points table as of now (before 2day's match)

(IMG:http://i44.tinypic.com/2r4j01s.jpg)

Now if u hv a look at the Table all the Teams have still a chance to qualify.Reason being if Punjab wins all remaining they finish with 12 points.Delhi wins against Chennai and loses against Deccan.....so Delhi finishes with 14.Chennai loses both so they are stationed at 12.

So the 4th team from the standing still has a chance 2 qualify for the semis at 12 points also if the above happens.
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post Apr 15 2010, 09:33 PM
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The chance of Chennai also seems to be quite bleak.
They are turning out to be the KKR 2 of this competition, winning one and losing the immidiate next.

Really, a very competitive and unpredictable tournament is in motion.Good for the organizers, sponsors, broadcasters, other stakeholders and last but not the least viewers.

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post Apr 16 2010, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(JS @ Apr 15 2010, 07:07 PM) *

Mere Bhai....

Here is the points table as of now (before 2day's match)

(IMG:http://i44.tinypic.com/2r4j01s.jpg)

Now if u hv a look at the Table all the Teams have still a chance to qualify.Reason being if Punjab wins all remaining they finish with 12 points.Delhi wins against Chennai and loses against Deccan.....so Delhi finishes with 14.Chennai loses both so they are stationed at 12.

So the 4th team from the standing still has a chance 2 qualify for the semis at 12 points also if the above happens.




Well, you have correctly made the assumptions, JS. But then perhaps you havent taken the Run-rate into consideration. If you look at the table interms of points then Punjab might finish on 12 if they win both matchs. KKR need to win both to be in contention. But their Run-rate is the lowest, lower than even Kings XI. So not only do they have to win, but they have to win with a huge margin.

Considering yesteday's match Delhi have 14 and CSK have 12. But their run-rates are in the positive. So now CSK and RR are left with one match where as DC and KKR with two each. If RR and CSK lose the remaining one they are out. But if they win, then run-rate comes into play. If DC wins both and KKR wins both then according to run-rate DC qualifies, unless ofcourse KKR win with huge margins.

And calculating all this even Shane Warne made it indirectly public in the presentation ceremony that he would work harder the next year. Maye he has calculated all and thought that his chances are over. Even SRK's comments in the tweet and news suggests that the calculatons dont stand them a chance.

Baaki to bachi matches khatam hone par pata chalega.
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post Apr 16 2010, 09:55 AM
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Net Run rate is the key as u rightly pointed out but that can change dramatically in a single match itself.If any team surpasses the other Team's total with few overs to spare the winning team's net rate goes up and the loser's go down.2 matches are more than enough to better one's NRR if at all that team in question plays well on that day.The way things are changing its still very difficult 2 assume which are the 4 teams that will qualify.

I somehow feel 1 team that will qualify for the semis clinging on 2 the 4th position will b a real surprise as it will b completely unexpected.Lets see.........


QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 16 2010, 08:14 AM) *

Well, you have correctly made the assumptions, JS. But then perhaps you havent taken the Run-rate into consideration. If you look at the table interms of points then Punjab might finish on 12 if they win both matchs. KKR need to win both to be in contention. But their Run-rate is the lowest, lower than even Kings XI. So not only do they have to win, but they have to win with a huge margin.

Considering yesteday's match Delhi have 14 and CSK have 12. But their run-rates are in the positive. So now CSK and RR are left with one match where as DC and KKR with two each. If RR and CSK lose the remaining one they are out. But if they win, then run-rate comes into play. If DC wins both and KKR wins both then according to run-rate DC qualifies, unless ofcourse KKR win with huge margins.

And calculating all this even Shane Warne made it indirectly public in the presentation ceremony that he would work harder the next year. Maye he has calculated all and thought that his chances are over. Even SRK's comments in the tweet and news suggests that the calculatons dont stand them a chance.

Baaki to bachi matches khatam hone par pata chalega.

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post Apr 16 2010, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 16 2010, 08:14 AM) *

Well, you have correctly made the assumptions, JS. But then perhaps you havent taken the Run-rate into consideration. If you look at the table interms of points then Punjab might finish on 12 if they win both matchs. KKR need to win both to be in contention. But their Run-rate is the lowest, lower than even Kings XI. So not only do they have to win, but they have to win with a huge margin.

Considering yesteday's match Delhi have 14 and CSK have 12. But their run-rates are in the positive. So now CSK and RR are left with one match where as DC and KKR with two each. If RR and CSK lose the remaining one they are out. But if they win, then run-rate comes into play. If DC wins both and KKR wins both then according to run-rate DC qualifies, unless ofcourse KKR win with huge margins.

And calculating all this even Shane Warne made it indirectly public in the presentation ceremony that he would work harder the next year. Maye he has calculated all and thought that his chances are over. Even SRK's comments in the tweet and news suggests that the calculatons dont stand them a chance.

Baaki to bachi matches khatam hone par pata chalega.




Sure enough, KKR's chances in this season of IPL is more or less finished. Even SG in an interview yesterday, mentioned that they have to win the 2 remaining ones to salvage some of their lost pride.Winning the games against 2 strong opponents and that too with a big margin is a bit more to ask from them in this pressure situation.
MI and RR are 2 teams who were never defeated by KKR under SG's captaincy.Even if they win (and one sincerely hope so) reaching the semis from from last position in NRR (which is definitely going to be the determinant) will really look like fairy tale ending. (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/happy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/happy.gif)

DC have a fair chance and one will not be surprised if they reach the semis as the 4th one.
IMHO semi-finalists would likely to be MI, RC (already confirmed, methinks) DD, DC.

DISCLAIMER: DON'T KILL ME IF BY PROVIDENCE AND 'GLORIOUS UNCERTAINITIES' OF THIS FORMAT KKR/CSK REACH THE SEMIS.

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post Apr 17 2010, 10:23 AM
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After yesterday's game, it seems clear that Mumbai Indians, RCB and DC have made it to the semis. For KKR it is an almost impossible task because their net runrate is too low. So even winning both wont help. They have to beat the other team by more than 50 % margin or score the runs in half the overs. Thats impossible for KKR with their lack lustre performance.

DD stand a chance over CSK because they are 2 points ahead. They have to win the last against DC to comfortable qualify. Even RCB needs to win the last else the net runrate would effect their chances. CSK has a better run rate of all. Hence just winning the last might qualify them.

Lets see ke kya hota hai.
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QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 17 2010, 10:23 AM) *

After yesterday's game, it seems clear that Mumbai Indians, RCB and DC have made it to the semis. For KKR it is an almost impossible task because their net runrate is too low. So even winning both wont help. They have to beat the other team by more than 50 % margin or score the runs in half the overs. Thats impossible for KKR with their lack lustre performance.

DD stand a chance over CSK because they are 2 points ahead. They have to win the last against DC to comfortable qualify. Even RCB needs to win the last else the net runrate would effect their chances. CSK has a better run rate of all. Hence just winning the last might qualify them.

Lets see ke kya hota hai.




Still difficult to confirm after yesterday's match other than 2 Teams - MI qualified for the semis & KIP out of IPL3.

If RCB & DC loses their last matches badly then they both maybe out.CSK has a better chance as they will b playing KIP who r low on morale and r now out of reckoning.

This Net run Rate is a very funny thing and its not 50% which will do the trick.Say if any team surpasses opponent's score in 14-15 overs then itself the NRR can dramatically change.Also DC.RR and KKR's NRR are almost neck 2 neck.

Dn't count KKR out completely.Agreed the way they played,the spirit they hv everything goes against them but 20-20 is a very funny game.One doesn't know on that given day what will happen.
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QUOTE(JS @ Apr 17 2010, 01:13 PM) *

Still difficult to confirm after yesterday's match other than 2 Teams - MI qualified for the semis & KIP out of IPL3.

If RCB & DC loses their last matches badly then they both maybe out.CSK has a better chance as they will b playing KIP who r low on morale and r now out of reckoning.

This Net run Rate is a very funny thing and its not 50% which will do the trick.Say if any team surpasses opponent's score in 14-15 overs then itself the NRR can dramatically change.Also DC.RR and KKR's NRR are almost neck 2 neck.

Dn't count KKR out completely.Agreed the way they played,the spirit they hv everything goes against them but 20-20 is a very funny game.One doesn't know on that given day what will happen.



RCB even at 14 points will be through because their net runrate is +0.43. Today is their last match against MI and even if they lose by large margin, their net runrate will be positive. So according to me MI and RCB are in the semifinals. DD have 14 points but runrate is just +0.03. CSK have a positive net runrate. But they need to win the last game to be at 14 points. If they dont then DC get into the semifinals. RR have to win both matches by huge margins to be in positive runrate. KKR have net runrate of -0.63. So they need to first win both matches and that too with huge margins to just get into positive. Overtaking RCB or DD or CSK will be unthinkable.


The calculations are quite funny.
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QUOTE(Rishii @ Apr 17 2010, 05:47 PM) *

RCB even at 14 points will be through because their net runrate is +0.43. Today is their last match against MI and even if they lose by large margin, their net runrate will be positive. So according to me MI and RCB are in the semifinals. DD have 14 points but runrate is just +0.03. CSK have a positive net runrate. But they need to win the last game to be at 14 points. If they dont then DC get into the semifinals. RR have to win both matches by huge margins to be in positive runrate. KKR have net runrate of -0.63. So they need to first win both matches and that too with huge margins to just get into positive. Overtaking RCB or DD or CSK will be unthinkable.
The calculations are quite funny.




As I said after 2day's matches also still very difficult to confirm the other 3 semi final spots.NRR can change dramatically and KKR need not hv 2 win with huge margins if certain other factors works in their favour.Its very tight up there and only after 2mrw's matches we can confirm the other semi final spots.
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QUOTE(JS @ Apr 18 2010, 01:08 AM) *

As I said after 2day's matches also still very difficult to confirm the other 3 semi final spots.NRR can change dramatically and KKR need not hv 2 win with huge margins if certain other factors works in their favour.Its very tight up there and only after 2mrw's matches we can confirm the other semi final spots.



The net runrate thing is driving me crazy. Even after yesterday's win KKR have bettered their runrate from -0.63 to -0.45. So I dont see them coming out in the positive even after winning the last remaining game. Tehy need to be in the positive especially because RCB, DD and CSK are in the positive. DC stand hence dont go in as favorites just because of their negative run rate.

RCB even after losing by a heavy margin have goin down from +0.47 to +0.22. If CSK win today, they finish at the second spot. According to my calculation, MI, RCB, are already in the semis. RR and KXIP are out. KKR are almost out unless they pull out something miraculous. It is left to be seem among DD and DC who roll into the semis.
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The ifs and buts necessary for the KKR to reach semifinals (According to experts,) (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/tongue.gif)

-If CSK & DC loses today's games ; in that case DD reach semis and KKR stand a chance along with RC & DC while CSK gets ruled out. (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/unsure.gif)

-IF CSK loses whle DC wins DC will reach semis.Then too KKR stand a chance along with RC & DD. (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/huh.gif)

-If CSK wins and DC loses then DD reach semis KKR's competition will be far more stiff ans chances are quite bleak (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/Dry.gif)

-And most important they have to win against MI tomorrow by a good margin. (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/ohmy.gif)(all the above will help only if this 1 occurs)

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I THINK MUMBAI INDIANS WILL BE THE CHAMPION OF THIS SEASON OR WILL FINISH ON NUMBER 2. (IMG:style_emoticons/OurHFMEmot/smile.gif)


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